Thursday, August 14, 2008

The Horror of Traveling Sales Crews Revisited and A Condemnation of the Modern Direct Selling Industry!


(The beautiful young girl in the picture to the right is the 18 year old daughter of Phil Ellenbecker, Malinda. She died on March 25, 1999 from a massive skull fracture when the van she was in flipped over twice while traveling at 81 mph. The crash near Janesville, Wisconsin left a total of 7 dead and 5 maimed for life. Phil's email to me is at the bottom of today's post. Please see the online memorial to her by clicking here. Make sure you have your speakers turned on because the beautiful music and words are very moving and brought tears to my eyes.)

Before the advent of the modern age, direct selling was a necessary and desired business model. Pioneers living out on the edge of the wilderness many times looked forward to that occasional peddler bringing any number of products and goods from the east to the homestead. General stores did not exactly put these peddlers out of business who began to specialize. Bible salesmen appeared as well as people selling hard to find beauty aids and various other hard to find items.

One of my favorite movies of the past few years was "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou" where John Goodman played a disreputable Bible salesman in the Great Depression era who gave a good beating to two of the key characters of the movie with a tree limb and then squished a toad with his bare hand. This movie may have been a farce, but these types of direct selling characters really existed then and in many ways still exist today.

I see the modern age MLM sales tactics to be an evolution of these last century Bible salesmen who used questionable tactics and outright deceit to make the sale. These early Bible salesman, for instance, would prospect folks who had recently suffered a death in the family. They might approach a widow and con her into buying a Bible that they claimed their loved one had ordered before their untimely death.

Quixtar representatives are taught to size up their prospective "marks" in a similar fashion. The Quixtar training materials teach questionable methods to identify character flaws or weaknesses which will facilitate the sale of their plan which for the most part is a product based pyramid scheme con job. These modern day multi-level marketers like to call themselves direct sellers as if they were a throw back to the good old days of the homestead peddler. How often do you get a knock on the door and are asked to buy products offered by a MLM direct seller? Probably not very often because door to door selling is not generally done by MLM scam artists. These so called sellers are more interested in finding people who will sit down in front of their easel board and see the plan for making it big in their business by buying the products and recruiting others to do the same. This can hardly be considered direct selling but direct recruitment! Many of these MLM scam business people are not true direct sellers but hope to benefit by the self consumption of company products they hope to inspire the newly recruited rep to make.

What about the traveling sales crews who are actually direct sellers? Here again, there are many problems. The mostly young people on these sales crews are many times taken advantage of themselves by the company and people they work for while they go out and take advantage of the door to door residents who many times swallow deceitful claims and buy the magazine subscriptions and products. To make sales, these door to door sellers might claim that they live a few blocks away or are trying to work their way through school. People fall for these deceits the same way people seeing the Quixtar plan to success are also hoodwinked. Many times the Quixtar reps like to pass themselves off as Quixtar success stories sporting nice suits and jewelry. They may look the part, but are anything but successful; their appearance only furthering the deception. I have described how questionable misrepresentations are made to talk prospects into climbing aboard the Quixtar mother ship and how the training materials are basically propaganda to keep the new recruits buying the overpriced products, the training materials (known as tools) and believing in the success dream.

The traveling sales crews are despicable, the MLM schemes and scams represented by the DSA are despicable, and even the Vacuum selling industry (like Kirby and Rainbow) are fraught with problems and are considered despicable by many. There is very little good that can be said about modern day direct sellers or con artists which misrepresent themselves as direct sellers, a common thread that runs through them all.

There are different trade associations that represent all these businesses who hope to find some degree of respectability amongst one another. Of course there is the Direct Selling Association which Jon Taylor of the Consumer Awareness Institute believe have been infiltrated by questionable MLM product pyramid scheme companies like Amway, Herbalife, YourTravelBiz, and Mannatech. The traveling sales crew companies also have their own trade associations also which are described below by Mr Ellenbecker.

I realize that I made a earlier post which described the traveling sales industry, but I felt the industry should be revisited so I might provide readers with more information on this very questionable business which takes advantage of its recruits and encourages young people to leave parents, family and friends for a life on the road. These traveling sales crews many times are traveling dens of corruption, sex and drugs.

I received an email from Phil Ellenbecker who I am going to copy and paste directly below which links information related to the traveling sales industry that QCI readers might want to further investigate. I support the efforts to expose any situation that takes advantage of young people and in some cases has directly or indirectly caused the death, rape and murder of these youths who are exposed daily to the dregs of society and dangers of the road. Parents and family are the secondary victims of these traveling caravans from hell as well as the people who open their door to some unsavory gypsy sellers.

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To whom it may concern,

I would like to provide you with more information on Kirby, the Direct Selling Association, and 'traveling sales crews.'

Southwestern and the DSA:
http://www.travelingsalescrews.info/southwestern%20company.html


Southwestern and the DSA lobbying against a bill in Wisconsin to protect kids and homeowners
from the crimes committed by traveling sales crews:
http://www.travelingsalescrews.info/wisconsin%20legislation%202007.html

Kirby: a brief chronology of crimes:
http://www.travelingsalescrews.info/kirby%20vacuum%20crime%20research%20%20021908.htm
Traveling sales crews:
Specific to door to door magazine and cleaner sales:
Wanted Page:
http://www.travelingsalescrews.info/wanted.html

Traveling sales crews:
Specific to door to door magazine and cleaner sales:
http://www.travelingsalescrews.info/door%20to%20door%20sales%20profiles.html

Featured Articles:
Houston Press:
What Mainstream Publishers Don't Want You to Know About Door-to-Door Magazine Sales:
http://houstonpress.com/2008-07-17/news/what-mainstream-publishers-don-t-want-you-to-know-about-door-to-door-magazine-sales/1
New York Times:
For Youths, a Grim Tour on Magazine Crews:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/21/us/21magcrew.html?ex=1329714000&en=be91678aaac7038d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

New York Times:
Life on a magazine crew - Video
http://video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=cc441f37425c1403e086b3f96ab5c21bf296dc36

Our battle to protect homeowners and children from the door to door sales industry is mainly focused
on the National Field Selling Association: www.nfsa.com the trade group for most of the magazine and cleaner door to door
sales companies, and the Magazine Publishers of America: http://www.magazine.org the trade group for most of the
magazine publishers in this country. Extreme crime and exploitation of children, young adults, and homeowners is occurring in this immoral
and corrupt industry.

The NFSA and the MPA are separate trade groups and not associated with the DSA.
However, the DSA, Kirby and Southwestern have now taken up arms against us and
legislation in the state of Wisconsin that was created to protect Wisconsin kids and homeowners
from crimes associated with the door to door sales industry.

Thank you for your article and your time.

Sincerely,
Phil Ellenbecker
Director
Dedicated Memorial Parents Group
www.travelingsalescrews.info
www.dedicatedmemorial.org

85 comments:

tex said...

Give me a break.

Dave said...

You arm or leg? Which one?

LOL LOL LOL

tex said...

yawn.

Dave said...

You must be bord with all the schooling you've been getting right tex?

Willy said...

I see similarities in Amway Moitivational Orgs.

Shortly after joining, you are pressured to travel, on sometimes short notice, long distances for a "Major Conference". These "Conferences" were held THREE TIMES per year.

So there was hardly a month gone by that the pressure wasn't there. It was subtle at 1st then intensified as you approached the cut off time for reasonable airfare etc.

This "Conference" is described as something that will "propel your business SIX months FASTER". You are told that NOT going on this trip will "Cost you $50-100,000" (in lost income from ultimately going 'Diamond' and earning $100-200k per year).

For me, this travel required driving or flying 1,000 miles, on a few occassions 2,000 miles.

One trip required us driving INTO the projected path of a huge hurricane. There was NO thought of cancelling this MAJOR Brainwashing event.

Another trip, people were pressured to drive in a huge blizzard.

Sometimes these trips required flying AND THEN driving hours to a destination.

Often you were driving sleep deprived due to time constraints from your job or excessive conference-seminar time.

I thought later, how much I risked my life driving late at night with tired co-drivers, in inclement weather, all due to coercion of "you need to be there", and promises of "success requires sacrifice".

tex said...

dave,

No, dave, I'm "board".

tex said...

willy,

Too bad you made it, now we have to put up with your BS.

Dave said...

tex, you smarter than a piece of BS?

LOL LOL LOL

tex said...

dave,

Go see the first post on your blog.

Dave said...

Tex, here's the first post on my blog. I'm glad you agree.


Anonymous said...
Everyone I know who tried amway went to a lot of meetings and ended quitting. It doesn't work.

August 5, 2008 5:52 PM

tex said...

Then let me clarify. Fuck you.

Dave said...

Aww, did your feeling get hurt texie?

quixtarisacult said...

Willy...

Thank you for at least making a comment that is on topic. Yes, Quixtar (as well as many other MLM businesses) have distributors out on the road many times late at night and in inclement weather.

During my research for my March 19, 2008 post "Where Have You Gone Joe DiMaggio? And Where Have the Quixtar/Amway Jewel Royalty Gone?" I discovered some jewel level Amway distributors that had been killed in car crashes while traveling to or from an Amway event.

All the talk about building a business with only a few hours of work a week is nothing but bunk. Time consuming travel of all types is required, from automobile, bus, train, and air. Not only does all this traveling bring much out of pocket expense to a distributor hoping to build a business, it also brings an increased risk of accident or even death.

Long hours on the road many times with inadequate sleep is a dangerous situation that most new prospects are not told about during recruitment. Lack of sleep and driving has been reported to be as dangerous as drunken driving. Just one of many negative issues that new recruits are not told about or mislead on. Folks who join and quickly quit are so much better off than the dedicated distributor willing to make all the sacrifices of years of time and expense traveling. MLM distributors may not be making door to door sales, but they still are on the go showing the plan or attending rallies, seminars or functions of one type or another. With gasoline prices so high, just think about how much more money it will cost to be on the road now than it was back a few years ago?

I have commented on this topic before, but it is a mostly overlooked issue and one a new prospect should carefully consider. Quarterly Rally attendance may not only be very expensive, but is potentially dangerous as well. Not only do these travel expenses make it incredibly difficult to turn a profit, all this travel can be a potentially life ruining experience. Eric Scheibler described how his family worried about his falling asleep and getting hurt on the road.

Please, NO Four letter F words!!! No need to resort to BS and F bombs and why all the arguing? Can't anyone agree on anything?

Joecool said...

QIAC,

This is your blog with tex unsupervised.

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On topic, when I was an IBO, people were edified for getting speeding tickets or near accidents if it was in the process of heading to a plan or a function. It's as if my upline wanted you to think it was ok, or even the norm for you to have brushes with fate as a part of building the business.

tex said...

dave,

See August 14, 2008 8:15 PM comment.

quixtarisacult said...

joecool...

Seems like these upline deceivers have an answer for every negative situation distributors find themselves in.

It is similar to the thinking that when long term friends, family and neighbors turn away, that this is a sign from on high that success is on the way. Up line folk must have an answer thought up for every negative situation that the down line potentially will run into.

Willy said...

Yes, JoeCool is right, they used to BRAG about car crashes and near misses as a sign of their dogged determination to "get this thing built"

MORE BRAINWASHING.

Side note:
most people don't realize that your auto insurance may NOT cover you without a "business use" rider.

They erroneously think that some measly $2.00 insurance checkoff when rgistering covers you, but it only covers the PRODUCT LOSS of merchandise you may be carrying, NOT LIABILITY OR PERSONAL INJURY.

Tex:
I guess all the "lying cowardly kingpins" are gone to Mon Avi now, that should make my old tapes more valuable. How much $ are you paying NOW?

And you should gargle
with some SA-8 for using the F word.

tex said...

Prices haven't changed much. I still pay $0.20/tape or less, including shipping, which comes to about half for the shipping and the other half for the tapes.

How about if I just shove an entire 150# box down your throat until you promise not to drive across the street, because it's so dangerous?

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

You still doin' it with the dogs, Texie?

Is that kosher within the Amway Biz? I hear Amway IBOs have to sign a "code-of-conduct" that holds them to very high standards?

tex said...

yawn.

Porkchopjim said...

QIAC will now get the joy of a standard Tex Tactic and see how hospitality can be abused under false pretenses.

Tex has already started: he will try to get banned from this site. If comment moderation is initiated, he will still claim he is ‘banned’ – even though he will continue to post on other forums with comment moderation. While consistency of behavior is certain with this aggressive form of retardation, consistency of reason is completely absent.

When Tex starts getting his ‘dizzying intellect’ fully Texposed (courtesy of the Tex Transparency Initiative), he will do the very typical coward move of getting thrown out. You’ll see this dynamic quite a bit if you watch ‘Cops’ or know any bouncers: the coward will get themselves removed from harm’s way, and then bluster knowing full well that the cops/bouncers will keep them safe.

Tex will then find some other unsuspecting host to parasite from under the guise of ‘free speech’ and ‘not being allowed to defend himself’, and even though he is the one who got himself kicked off, he will invent Texcuses (they were afraid of the truth, I posted embarrassing information, etc.) and offer them to the new sucker who will give Tex the benefit of the doubt and then be awarded by being abused.

Tex will remain on moderated sites as long as someone who doesn’t know him keeps showing up, because he has a compelling, uncontrollable urge to share his ‘valuable information’ with anyone. Given that he has no chance of getting a sizeable downline on his own, he has no audience. (Part of the fabulous ‘Tex’s Used Tool Scam Training System : TUTS-TS’ is that downline who borrow a tool from Tex have to ‘discuss’ it with him upon returning it – you know, the good parts, the bad parts, the ‘valuable information’ parts, and then hear a lecture on the LCKs and the old tools scam and how Tex’s system is so much better. If that’s not enough to make you want to drown yourself in a giant vat of XS syrup (which you will have because Tex will train you to buy your own products to make a profit), I don’t know what is. I have often thought there was a connection between the TUTS-TS and his lack of followers, but that's just a theory...

Tex can’t stand being Texposed. It’s NOT supposed to be like that. He IS an ‘emerging leader’ in the new Amworld and as soon as everyone accepts that, we’ll all be better off.

tex said...

yawn.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

An interesting new lawsuit has been filed, as it appears "The IBO's Formerly Known As TEAM" have sued the insurance company that is supposed to be covering IBO's for this purpose:

http://www.amquix.info/pdfs/liberty_mutual/liberty_mutual.pdf

I look forward to A/Q, the IBOAI, and the insurance company's response. Perhaps they have a legitimate beef, perhaps there is an exception in the policy. You would think they could at least get a copy of the policy they paid for. Where's the beef?

tex said...

I just submitted the following on the "Real Quixtar Blog" site, I wonder whether it will get posted, and more importantly, addressed.

Robin,

Speaking of "I am Amway Global", when is there going to be a response to the 2 recent lawsuits filed in Texas? See http://www.amquix.info/amquix_whats_new.html, August 12th and 15th entries. These are both MUCH bigger issues than the curiosity approach or eaches. The Amway/Alticor blogs have been "dead" for months. I get the idea you want to promote your own agenda, but you also need to figure out how to shine some light on the other side of the issues so you don't appear to be a "Gestapo" organization. Even a high level, legalistic, non-statement statement with comments disabled is better than silence. Welcome to the internet age.

Porkchopjim said...

Who was saying something about Tex being desparate for an audience?

Now, perhaps Tex can Texplain what either lawsuit has to do with the 'tools scam' - or concede that he is unable to control his desire to comment and 'share' his 'dizzying intellect' with any audience?

Why don't you just do a conference call with Robin? Why is it important that your comment get addressed?

Joecool said...

PCJ: Why don't you just do a conference call with Robin? Why is it important that your comment get addressed?

Joe: Because that's what trolls do. Take over someone else's blog or thread to make a point. He's got his own blog to make these very points.

tex said...

The lawsuits are directed at getting a fair hearing and access to funding that goes along with a hearing. Both lawsuits show how IBO's are on the short end of the justice stick.

I've talked to Robin a couple of times in the past, and met him in Prague. He's a Public Relations guy, so there are limits to what he can do.

I wanted other IBO's to be aware of these lawsuits as well, and is another reason this information was posted.

Porkchopjim said...

The lawsuits are directed at getting a fair hearing and access to funding that goes along with a hearing.

???????

It's always about grubbing for money with you, isn't it?

Who are you thinking of suing, Tex? Amway - who said you didn't have to buy tools? Your kingpin - if he's still in the business? Your entire upline - as you don't know who your platinum is?

You're going to have a hard time of it - as you've bought EVEN MORE TOOLS since you found out about the 'scam.' It's not even the price that you bitch about - it's the profit.

You gonna sue for 'too much profit' - Tex the commie?

I wanted other IBO's to be aware of these lawsuits as well, and is another reason this information was posted.

Too bad there isn't a very popular site that has all that information on it...oh, wait - THERE IS. It's just Tex trying to look like he's 'in the know.' Don't let anyone accuse you of trying to take credit for other people's work.

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

Part of the fabulous ‘Tex’s Used Tool Scam Training System : TUTS-TS’ is that downline who borrow a tool from Tex have to ‘discuss’ it with him upon returning it – you know, the good parts, the bad parts, the ‘valuable information’ parts, and then hear a lecture on the LCKs and the old tools scam and how Tex’s system is so much better. If that’s not enough to make you want to drown yourself in a giant vat of XS syrup (which you will have because Tex will train you to buy your own products to make a profit), I don’t know what is.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

ROTFL!!

Oh, man.... that was a thorough, belly-aching laugh. A good 10 years - at least - added to my life-span.

As much as I feel sorry for Tex, I can't but - selfishly - hope that he keeps providing material like this... this is just PURE comedy!

Anybody know any NBC sitcom-writers? There's enough Tex-material - certified multiple-Emmy-award-winning material - for a full-fledged sitcom. I'll bet it could give "Frasier" and "Cheers", a run for its money.

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken?

Porkchopjim said...

The time for talking has indeed past.

This is the time for ACTION!

The Tex Transparency Initiative - gettin' it done.

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

Hey Texie,

You might want to make sure you don't reveal your proclivities - you know - the bestiality and the 'bi-curious' thing.... they just might run with it and incorporate it in the sitcom. Might be embarassing to explain that to your wife and kids.

I am positive, NBC is going run with my idea - a Tex-itcom. Anybody want to take crack at naming the sitcom?

I am going with "Amway Messiah"!

Something along the same lines as the above link might also be interesting.

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

Doesn't Tex remind you of Obama?

All bluster, no substance.

Kinda like he first agreed to have 'open-free-for-all' town-hall-meetings with McCain. Then decided, that he would be better off hiding behind is 'speeches'.

Tex, also, doesn't like his idiocy being exposed here for the whole world - he wants to hide behind some stupid 'conference call'.

Porkchopjim said...

How about:

"Tex the Tool Man"

"A Fool and his Tools"

"Tex, Kingpin Hunter"

"Delusions"

"The Scaminator"

"Tool Time with Tex"

"Texposed: the Tool Scam!"

"Let me Texplain somethin' to ya..."

"All Hat, No Downline"

"Texworld"

"Special Olympics"

Porkchopjim said...

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Still a delusional failure, since 1993.

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

Dang! Those were good - I vote for the following in descending order:

"A Fool and his Tools"

"Tex the Tool Man"

"Tool Time with Tex"

"Let me Texplain somethin' to ya..."

"All Hat, No Downline"

Wow! Come to think of it, 'Home-Improvement' is perhaps the BEST template for a 'Tex-itcom', right?

Imagine this premise for the character:

A 50-year-old washed-up-Amway-Salesman, Tex....

appearing on his "own" low-rated cable-show (a peek at his STP at his open-meeting?), and 'Tex-plaining' the Amway Bidnez and the "tool-scam", making a complete fool of himself in the process...

Who was that "tool-time" babe on 'Home-Improvement'? We need somebody like that to 'announce' the show.... NO - wait a minute - that won't do.... Tex likes dogs and men... Obviously, a dog wouldn't work for the 'announcing' part, so we would have to find a 'bi-curious' gent for Tex. Maybe Tex has a 'favorite' that he found while trolling 'bi-curious' websites?

Porkchopjim said...

No - he's in a 'Batman' like outfit, except it's made out of old tapes and CDs.

He prowls the streets in his 'tool mobile' looking for anyone who hasn't heard of the 'tool scam' yet.

He busts into kingpin boardrooms (he graps abold of the tape and throws old cassettes atop of roofs to make his assent) and 'TEXPOSES' the profits they're making.

To cure them, he forces them to listen to old tools while he discusses the 'finer' points of them until they either join Tex or jump out the window. Somehow, they also choose to jump out the window. He stands proud with his hands on his hips...

...and then you see reality snap back, and there's Tex the Tool Fool standing in the boardroom (with all the kingpins looking at him like he's a moron) and big security guards come in and toss him out. As he is dragged out, you hear the kingpins ask each other "Who was that retard? Was he one of yours?"

Repeat every week - it's always the same show.

The closing credits have Tex's Conference Call number at the end like 'American Idol'. Still, no one calls.

I personally like 'Amway Messiah' - that's hard to beat.

tex said...

Actually, the complete opposite of Obama. He is chicken to talk off the cuff, and prefers prepared speeches, like you prefer on the blogs. Looks like the Obama, un-perceptive, and pcj chicken HAVE come home to roost.

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Joecool said...

You know what's truly comical?

Tex actually thinks that removing excessive tools profits will solve the problem.

For one thing, most kool aid drinkers don't mind paying for the tools and think they are fairly priced.

Ok, but let's examine "bizarro" world and say Tex was successful in capping the tools profits. Let's say the tapes now have 50% less profit.

What's to stop the LCKs from simply "advising" downline to buy twice as many tapes?

==================================
Regarding the sitcom, Texie reminds me of pee wee herman, who had a show called pee wee's playhouse.

Let's do a show calle Tex's Tool House. LOL

tex said...

jc, you're a dipshit. The 50% is tied to the Amway profit, so if they moved more tools, they would have to lower the prices even further. Were you born stupid, or did you have to work at it? Pee Wee Herman could run circles around your intellect.

Joecool said...

Who said the extra tools sold would be reported? Think for once
tex.

Porkchopjim said...

Tex, your tiny little mind has no idea what it would take to actually implement your stupid Tex's Tool Cap. I'm sorry you're not smart enough to understand that. But far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to show your retardedness.

We've gone over the gaping holes in your plan many times - but Tex can't be wrong. So - continue peeing on yourself. You seem to enjoy it.

The UK model is MUCH better: Amway buys its tools from the kingpins, sells them for '0% profit', the kingpins get richer because they don't have to cut anyone else in, and IBOs save no money at all. What about the other levels? Easy: they just charge for meetings. Voila. It's not 'tool money' - it's 'training and motivation meetings.'

If you'd follow jc's advice and use that glob of crap on your sholders for something other than making noise, you wouldn't look like such an idiot all the time.

But then the Tex Transparency Initiative would be no fun at all!

tex said...

Eeyore (jc),

There's mehods of auditing that would uncover this. Many groups manage tools online, there are auditing companies who could easily uncover cheating. Amway is conducting telephone sampling right now to check for accreditation compliance, all they have to do is add a couple of extra questions about tools. They could conduct e-mail/web based questionnaires as well. It's NOT that hard. Plus the upline would know they are risking getting booted if they cheat. Think for once Eeyore.

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

The only gaping hole is the one that's between your ears.

pcj, your tiny little mind has no idea how little effort it would take to actually implement my Tool Cap. I'm sorry you're not smart enough to understand that. But far be it from me to prevent you from continuing to show your retardedness.

You've been unable to show any weakness, let alone gaping holes in my plan many times - but Tex can't be wrong. So - continue peeing on yourself. You seem to enjoy it.

Do you know how much the UK tools cost prior to May 2007 and now? Meetings are part of BSM, which is what the UK judge ruled on.

If you'd follow my advice and use that glob of crap on your shoulders for something other than making noise, you wouldn't look like such an idiot all the time.

But then the Tex Transparency Initiative would be no fun at all!

tex said...

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

Another thought for your tiny brain to consider is, how can getting paid by Amway for tools (assuming the price is the same as prior to May 2007), not be counted as profit, but getting paid from IBO's is counted as profit? Eeyore and un-perceptive, you are welcome to put your 2 cents in as well, the comic relief is incredible.

Porkchopjim said...

There's mehods of auditing that would uncover this...

Keeping track of profits is one thing. Adjusting costs continually to maintain an arbitrary constraint that is also part of some compliance requirement is something different. You wouldn't know - you can't know. You're not smart enough. "Web based surveys" to keep track of Tex's Tool Cap. You should have said 'conference call' and it wouldn't have been dumber.

And here's another great part: the upline runs the risk of being 'booted'. By whom? When asked WHO enforces the Tex Tool Cap - you initially said 'independent auditing agencies.' Real genius.

"Independed auditing agencies" are going to boot cheating upline.

Oh - you mean Amway? Like I initially said? Remember the Amway IRS?

Not only do you steal my comments, you try to pretend that things that you could not come up with on your own, that I had to give to you, were yours all along. I even give you the chance to come up with that really simple basic stuff - and you fail every time. You can pretend to yourself, but it's all out in the open for everyone else.

And this is why I, and everyone who isn't in your downline (and that would be everyone) thinks you are a complete moron because you have done nothing to prove that wrong. Ever.

Your plan doesn't have 'weaknesses' - it's infeasible. When that got pointed out - that's when you started crying and begging for a 'conference call.'

Do you know how much the UK tools cost prior to May 2007 and now? Meetings are part of BSM, which is what the UK judge ruled on.

Here we go again: you don't know what they cost before and now either.

And here is Tex the MORON: THE UK JUDGE DID NOT RULE ON THE BSMs!!!

I TOLD you to read it. You STILL only read that one part you like, and because of that, you've gotten it wrong again and again. The judge cited the new Amway rules. Period. He did not 'rule on them.' He ruled on whether the business should be shut down or not. The new Amway BSM rules were one of the actions cited by the judge to show that Amway was trying. He did not 'rule' on the BSMs. You keep making that up.

Just like you STILL don't know what the UK was upset about with the tools in the first place. Either that, or you would have to admit that you have wasted all your time and money trying to buy as many of them as you could?

I love it when retards call me stupid. 50 year old failed Amway salesmen with delusions of grandeur and over 10,000 useless tapes and CDs that they thought would make them rich - after buying all their own products for profit never seemed to make any money even if the retard math said it did.

The Tex Transparency Initiative - right on schedule.

tex said...

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

Keeping track of profits is one thing. Adjusting costs continually to maintain an arbitrary constraint that is also part of some compliance requirement is something different. ---- You don't have to adjust costs on an hourly basis, and it would be quite easy to adjust the Major Function prices on an annual basis. You're such an idiot. We went to the Moon and you can't figure out how to make this work. What a dork.

You wouldn't know - you can't know. ---- You wouldn't know if I smacked you upside the head with a 2x4, you're such an idiot. You're not smart enough.

"Web based surveys" to keep track of Tex's Tool Cap. You should have said 'conference call' and it wouldn't have been dumber. ---- As usual, a stupid response with no basis.

And here's another great part: the upline runs the risk of being 'booted'. By whom? When asked WHO enforces the Tex Tool Cap - you initially said 'independent auditing agencies.' Real genius. ---- I said the auditing company tracks the Tex Tool Cap, and reports the results to Amway, you MORON.

"Independed auditing agencies" are going to boot cheating upline. ---- See above, retard.

Oh - you mean Amway? Like I initially said? Remember the Amway IRS? ---- See above, dumbass.

Not only do you steal my comments, you try to pretend that things that you could not come up with on your own, that I had to give to you, were yours all along. I even give you the chance to come up with that really simple basic stuff - and you fail every time. You can pretend to yourself, but it's all out in the open for everyone else.

And this is why I, and everyone who is breathing (and that would be everyone) thinks you are a complete moron because you have done nothing to prove that wrong. Ever.

Your plan doesn't have 'weaknesses' - it's infeasible. When that got pointed out - that's when you started crying and begging for a 'conference call.' ---- You are a complete dork.

Here we go again: you don't know what they cost before and now either. ---- So you make up a statement then want to say I made something up? What a retard.

And here is pcj the MORON: THE UK JUDGE DID RULE ON THE BSMs!!!

I TOLD you to read it. You STILL only read that one part you like, and because of that, you've gotten it wrong again and again. The judge cited the new Amway rules. Period. He did not 'rule on them.' He ruled on whether the business should be shut down or not. The new Amway BSM rules were one of the actions cited by the judge to show that Amway was trying. He did not 'rule' on the BSMs. You keep making that up. ---- The judge said Amway came to edge of being shut down. Do you think Amway can reverse these rules and not be attacked by the DBERR again? They are still going after Amway NOW, because they want more of a say in the ruling. You are as stupid as someone can be and still use a keyboard.

Just like you STILL don't know what the UK was upset about with the tools in the first place. Either that, or you would have to admit that you have wasted all your time and money trying to buy as many of them as you could? ---- He was quite clear there will be ZERO BMS profits. The ones I bought were for pennies on the dollar.

I love it when retards call me stupid. 50 year old failed Amway salesmen with delusions of grandeur and over 10,000 useless tapes and CDs that they thought would make them rich - after buying all their own products for profit never seemed to make any money even if the retard math said it did. ---- yawn.

The Tex Transparency Initiative - right on schedule. ---- Glad you think so.

Porkchopjim said...

how can getting paid by Amway for tools (assuming the price is the same as prior to May 2007), not be counted as profit, but getting paid from IBO's is counted as profit?

You tell us - it's your stupid idea.

You don't have to adjust costs on an hourly basis, and it would be quite easy to adjust the Major Function prices on an annual basis. You're such an idiot.

Thinking awful small, Tex. Your idea IS a simple one - it's from a simple source. It’s not just one kingpin, retard. It’s every single level that participates in tools income.

You seem to have an awful hard time describing how this might work below the level of ‘50% Amway Profit.’ That’s because of two things: it’s a stupid idea, and you’re a stupid person. The ‘facts’ speak for themselves.

"Web based surveys" to keep track of Tex's Tool Cap. You should have said 'conference call' and it wouldn't have been dumber. ---- As usual, a stupid response with no basis.

Except that you mentioned it in your response! They could conduct e-mail/web based questionnaires

Yup - no basis at all!

The Tex Tool Cap: enforced through the efficient use of conference calls!

I said the auditing company tracks the Tex Tool Cap, and reports the results to Amway, you MORON.

Nope. You’ve changed that considerably. When asked you enforced your idiotic program, you said ‘auditing agencies.’ THEN you said the reports go out twice a year to IBOs. It wasn’t until I, and several others, pointed out that this was stupid did you finally say you would expect Amway to have some part in it. Suddenly, the audit agencies are reporting to Amway.

Tex Changes History: the Tex Transparency Initiative rides again!

”Here we go again: you don't know what they cost before and now either.” ---- So you make up a statement then want to say I made something up? What a retard.

Fine: how much did BSMs cost before, and how much do they cost now? That’s your ‘proof’ that the UK deal is good – so show us the numbers. If you don’t know them, then I’m not the one ‘making stuff up.’

And here is pcj the MORON: THE UK JUDGE DID RULE ON THE BSMs!!!

That’s why the judge said: “Nor has this case been (as it might have been) about the volume of BSMs…profitably peddled to a captive audience of non-achieving IBOs.”

Nor was it about the price. I wasn’t about the ‘profit’ – as he says right above it wasn’t. That’s why I tell you TO READ IT. I give you every chance to get something right, and you just can’t do it.

I showed the extent of the BSMs as they apply in this case – which is not what you are pretending it is.

The judge said Amway came to edge of being shut down. Do you think Amway can reverse these rules and not be attacked by the DBERR again? They are still going after Amway NOW, because they want more of a say in the ruling. You are as stupid as someone can be and still use a keyboard.

Priceless: first, DBERR said Amway’s new rules were useless (but Tex still likes them). Second, in order for Amway to be able to reverse them, they’d have to be Amway rules – like I said earlier. You initially said they were the judge’s rules – which you were wrong about and now you’ve had to Texpose yourself again.

He was quite clear there will be ZERO BMS profits. The ones I bought were for pennies on the dollar.

You still haven’t found out about the meetings – which you keep forgetting. The judge wasn’t ‘clear’ – Amway was, and the judge accepted it. Only you seem to care that you bought useless junk for pennies on the dollar. You spent money on something useless, and continue to do so. That does not go in the ‘Tex is smart’ column.

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

Name calling and falsifications. That’s Tex’s position.

”50 year old failed Amway salesmen with delusions of grandeur and over 10,000 useless tapes and CDs that they thought would make them rich - after buying all their own products for profit never seemed to make any money even if the retard math said it did.”

With the exception of a couple of years on the age, my statement above is 100% accurate.

Hey, I thought you weren't going to talk about old stuff until we did a 'conference call'? You lying again? Seems to be!

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

Annddd... the slamming of the retard continues.

tex said...

Annddd... the slamming of the retard continues. ---- Retards. You, pcj, and jc mostly.

Porkchopjim said...

How much do blank CDs and cheap cases cost each? How about blank cassettes?

Compare that to the price you paid, and I suspect you will find that just by having your 'valuable information' recorded on them, it makes what you bought less valuable than if it were blank.

And, yes: Perceptive, JC and I are having fun poking Tex the retard.

tex said...

Why don't you tell me how much blanks cost?

Anonymous said...

Holly crap! Now you want to blame car crashes and other garbage on MLM's, What about alcohal, drugs and people who may be sleep deprived spending long hours at the office. now your just grasping for straws with you vengence of a any business that doesnt guaranty a pay check for zero results. I bet you cant wait till Obama gets into office(which I pray doesnt happen this term at least)just so you can collect your check that he stole from the oil companies. I used to think you were just a little misguided in your assumtions but now I know your just crazy. ZEIK HEIL! What ever.

jeremy

Anonymous said...

Better yet lets sue the car company for making the cars go that fast ( maybe top at 45mph) or just tell evryone that they cant make their own choices any more for they are not smart enough to figure stuff out on their own. lets build a big fence and tell the people what to watch, what to eat, when to sleep, who to hang out with, what to wear, how many kids to have, etc... That sounds like a great idea to fix everything. WTF? I think for once tex got it right from his first post on this topic Give me a break. The truth is that there is at least one Horror story about everything you can possibly think of, its a fact of life, nothing and no one is perfect. So give it a rest already and get used to the idea that LIFE ISNT FAIR YOU FREEKING CRY BABBIES! That includes eveyone (from tex to all his peanut gallery poking fun at him *even though he does make it too easy*)

Jeremy

Porkchopjim said...

Tex - use that thing called the 'internet' to see for yourself.

I suspect you already know - but that would show the negative value fo the 'valuable information' you spent so much money on.

Or, get your 5 year old grand-daughter to show you how.

"Granpa Tex, tell the story of how you became the Amway Messiah again!"

tex said...

jeremy,

I've been right numerous times, not just on this issue.

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

You're the one who wanted to know what the blanks cost, not me. You go look it up, you IDIOT.

Willy said...

hey guys take it easy on Tex or the value of my used tapes might go DOWN to TEN CENTS (shipped)

tex said...

I've got plenty of tapes, I don't need yours.

Porkchopjim said...

You're the one who wanted to know what the blanks cost, not me. You go look it up, you IDIOT.

I did. That's why I made the statement as it was. I would expect you to find out for yourself - or you can just prove what everyone accuses you of: not being able to think for yourself and getting all your information second and third hand.

Again - if it weren't for tapespeak, you would make no sense whatsoever. When left on your own, your true 'dizzying intellect' shines through like a beacon.

The Tex Transparency Initiative.

tex said...

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

What part of "I don't care how much blanks costs" do you not understand? You brought it up, you post it, you MORON. Did you slip on a piece of crap that fell out of a bed pan and you hit your head on the floor?

Porkchopjim said...

What part of "I don't care how much blanks costs" do you not understand?

I love it when you quote yourself - and you didn't even say it before!

That's beautiful!

I only cared enough to see how much blanks cost because it's more proof that your 'valuable information' actually is worse than useless: it's negative.

But, we don't need much more proof than you to figure that out.

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

This is just PURE COMEDIC GENIUS!!

Or, get your 5 year old grand-daughter to show you how.

"Granpa Tex, tell the story of how you became the Amway Messiah again!"


And, this -

I love it when you quote yourself - and you didn't even say it before!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

ROTFL!!

Sitcom! NOW!

What's the name of the Actor who played Kramer on Seinfeld? He's the perfect cast-member for playing Tex. All the wierd mannerisms, the clothes and the kooky-ideas - dang, that's just well-nigh perrrffecttt......

Just imagine -

"Jerrrry... it's the TOOOOL-SCAM! It's the Tool-Scam!"

"But, Texie, you are making a.." - INTERRUPTED by a typical 'Kramer-Screech'

"Aaarrghhh... Jerrrryyy.... TOOOL-SCAM!" (this time in that typical 'Kramer', freaked-out-high-pitched voice)

Oh, the possibilities!

Btw, I wrote a letter to NBC explaining my idea for this sitcom - and, just like Tex did, in his letter to Rich Devos 'Tex-plaining' his new and improved 'tool-system' - I too wrote NBC that my letter was 'notarized' and represents a 'copyright'. Any and all royaties that may accrue from creating a Tex-sitcom by NBC or any other network, belong to me. Even though I stole the title from PCJ - because in 'Tex-world', if you 'purchase' a CD, you become the 'owner' of the copyright - and are thus FREE to use the content in any fashion whatsoever - for 'profit', or not. Well, in this case, I didn't actually even 'purchase' the title from PCJ - but what the hell, we are talking about 'Tex-Logic', right?

PCJ - How much do blank CDs and cheap cases cost each? How about blank cassettes?

I am going to take a WILD guess here - MORE THAN the cost of 'Tex's-valuable-training-information-loaded-CDs'??

You know, I don't feel sorry for Tex's down-line as much as Tex's family - at least his donwline can switch to a different LOS. But his family? They can't run! I truly, truly, feel sorry for this idiot's wife and kids and grand-kids. Just imagine having to deal with a grandfather who has the mental capacity and maturity of a 14-yr old?

tex said...

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers) and un-perceptive,

Did you slip on a piece of crap that fell out of a bed pan and you hit your head on the floor? Now I get it, pcj slipped and hit his head on un-perceptive's head, now they're BOTH idiots.

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Porkchopjim said...

Now I get it, pcj slipped and hit his head on un-perceptive's head, now they're BOTH idiots.

???????

You make that one up all by yourself, Tex? I suggest you stick to stealing other people's stuff, because that sucked.

It's a new word: Texjoke!

tex said...

pcj aka Dr. SLIM, DBPC (Dumbass Retard Stupid Lying Idiot MORON, "Doctor" of Bed Pan Changers),

I didn't expect you to get it, you're an IDIOT, remember?

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Porkchopjim said...

I didn't expect you to get it, you're an IDIOT, remember?

And again, as the intellectual giant you are who makes a profit buying his own products, finds the written word too hard to use to explain yourself, spent over $30K on useless tools over 15 years, aspires to be an 'emerging leader' who has to beg people to listen to him, and quotes himself saying things he never said...you are perfectly qualified to make that statement.

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Porkchopjim said...

The Tex Transparency Initiative: the only thing successful that has Tex's name associated with it.

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Dave said...

tex needs help, he keeps talking to himself and repeating himself. Kind of like some twilight zone rerun or something,

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

Dave said...

Whatever you say - pee wee tex.

tex said...

I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.

Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#

Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.

You're just an LCB, Lying Cowardly Blogger.

Dave said...

BTW, I got my idea for the blog post from JC's idea or Tex's Tool House. Just wanted to give JC credit for the idea.

LOL LOL LOL

tex said...

Dipshit dave,

Good idea to take ideas from LCWM (Lying Cowardly Whore Mongerer) jc, he's got lots of ideas, most of them bad.

Dave said...

toothless tex, at least jc makes sense. Your full of cow pies.

tex said...

Dipshit dave,

jc makes LOTS of sense, after you realize he's a lying whore mongerer. When you know that, it all makes sense.

Dave said...

Why is jc a lying whore mongerer?

I read his thread. He admitted what he did and frankly, most "real" men have done worse and it's not related to the business so who cares?

We could dogpile on you are having sex with gophers or dogs, but what relevence is there on a quixtar forum?

Of course, your not a real man are you texie?

perceptive - QUIXTAR-AMWAY-INFILTRATOR said...

Hey Texie,

You still doin' it with dogs? What do your 'bi-curious' partners think of that?

tex said...

Dipshit dave,

Why is jc a lying whore mongerer? ---- I don't know, why don't you ask jc?

I read his thread. He admitted what he did and frankly, most "real" men have done worse and it's not related to the business so who cares? ---- He admitted ONLY after he first denied it, then was proven to be lying. A "real" man has ethics and morals in my book, and jc has neither. It's related to the business because first, you can't trust a liar, and second, he said the upline encouraged him to drop his then fiance so he could focus on the business, only to find out he was whoring on her all the while.

We could dogpile on you are having sex with gophers or dogs, but what relevence is there on a quixtar forum? ---- Besides not being true, no relevance.

Of course, your not a real man are you texie? ---- It's spelled "you're" when you can substitute "you are", and I'm obviously more of a man than you can have a wet dream about, Dipshit dave.

Dave said...

Tex: I read his thread. He admitted what he did and frankly, most "real" men have done worse and it's not related to the business so who cares? ---- He admitted ONLY after he first denied it, then was proven to be lying.

Dave: So what? He came clean. He posted on a porn site. Who cares? Not illegal asfar as I know. As for playing with whores, who knows? But certainly only guilty in YOUR opinion.

Tex: he said the upline encouraged him to drop his then fiance so he could focus on the business, only to find out he was whoring on her all the while.

Dave: Do you know his upline? How do you know if his is untrue? Another "tex"planation?

Tex: We could dogpile on you are having sex with gophers or dogs, but what relevence is there on a quixtar forum? ---- Besides not being true, no relevance.

Dave: Well I say it's true. YOur a sicko. Same with what you are doing to the jc thing. You claim it's true without proof. So do you enjoy "doggy style" with doggies? LOL LOL LOL

Tex: I'm obviously more of a man than you can have a wet dream about

Dave: And you have the gall to call someone a liar? You just lied.

tex said...

Dave: So what? He came clean. He posted on a porn site. Who cares? Not illegal asfar as I know. As for playing with whores, who knows? But certainly only guilty in YOUR opinion. ---- Except I also believe in the Bible, and jc claims to as well. Ever hear of that book?

Dave: Do you know his upline? How do you know if his is untrue? Another "tex"planation? ---- jc said his upline said this. I don't know if it's true, he's a proven liar, remember?

Dave: Well I say it's true. YOur a sicko. Same with what you are doing to the jc thing. You claim it's true without proof. So do you enjoy "doggy style" with doggies? LOL LOL LOL ---- And I say you're a dipshit, dave. There is no proof about what you're saying, but jc has PROVEN himself to be a liar.

Dave: And you have the gall to call someone a liar? You just lied. ---- How did I lie, Dipshit dave?

Dave said...

Tex: Except I also believe in the Bible, and jc claims to as well. Ever hear of that book?

Dave: Yep, the Bible says ALL MEN fall short of God's Glory. All men. That's why Jesus went to the cross. To pay for my sins, your sins, and jc's sins. The Bible also emphasizes forgiveness. You ever read the Bible Tex?

Matthew 18:21-22 Lord, how many times should I forgive someone. Jesus replied seventy times seven.
Where's your forgiveness if your a Christian Tex?

Tex: jc said his upline said this. I don't know if it's true, he's a proven liar, remember?

Dave: Again, denying an initial allegation, maybe untrue, but not a lie as related to his quixtar story.

Tex: How did I lie, dave

Dave: By calling yourself more man than me. Now your a proven liar.

LOL LOL LOL

tex said...

Dave: Yep, the Bible says ALL MEN fall short of God's Glory. All men. That's why Jesus went to the cross. To pay for my sins, your sins, and jc's sins. The Bible also emphasizes forgiveness. You ever read the Bible Tex? ---- Yes, but being a Christian doesn't mean you can go around whoring, and lie about it, with the thought you can always ask for forgiveness. That is misuse of the Christian religion.

Matthew 18:21-22 Lord, how many times should I forgive someone. Jesus replied seventy times seven.
Where's your forgiveness if your a Christian Tex? ---- jc has exceed 490. What should I do now?

Dave: Again, denying an initial allegation, maybe untrue, but not a lie as related to his quixtar story. ---- If you deny something that is true, you're a liar. If he was under oath in court, it would be called perjury. Simple stuff, Dipshit dave.

Dave: By calling yourself more man than me. Now your a proven liar. ---- I gotta agree with you there, I can't be more of a man, since you're a chicken!

Dave said...

Tex: Yes, but being a Christian doesn't mean you can go around whoring, and lie about it, with the thought you can always ask for forgiveness. That is misuse of the Christian religion.

Dave: I didn't see him running around repeatedly asking for anything. In fact, according to what was posted, jc had stopped posting on the website by the time it was discovered that he was there.

Tex: That is misuse of the Christian religion.

Dave: Tex, I think you seriously do not understand scipture. Jesus also said let he who is without sin cast the first stone when some men brought a prostitute to him to accuse her of sin.

Tex: jc has exceed 490. What should I do now?

Dave: You just told another lie tex. You are now a proven liar? In any case, Jesus would forgive again.

Tex: If you deny something that is true, you're a liar. If he was under oath in court, it would be called perjury.

Dave: you deny being a dumbshit so that means you're a liar right?

Tex: I gotta agree with you there, I can't be a man.

Dave: Agreed