
The above picture was taken from a scene in the Planet of the Apes movie know as “The Simeon Court.” The “See No Evil, Hear No Evil, and Speak No Evil” was actually done as a gag during the filming of the movie and was left in during the final cut. Another picture of the “Wise Monkeys” has been in the right side bar since I started this blog. It is representative of what Amway Global distributors (IBOs) are taught by their upline and the tool propaganda they expose themselves to on a regular basis.
1. SEE NO EVIL.
Distributors are taught to put blinders on, to not see anything that goes counter to the dream inspired opportunity they have been instructed to believe in by their Amway recruiter. Many people might recall the disreputable Quixtar recruiter Greg Fredericks on secret camera in the 2004 Dateline news expose on Quixtar corruption where he instructs his new recruits (one of which is a Dateline undercover reporter) with the following classic example of what this “see no evil” cult instruction is all about: “So I don't put anything into my head that's going to cause me to be thinking outside my positive role.” The Dateline story goes on to explain that this means “no TV, no reading newspapers” and by way of extrapolation I add: no Internet, and especially no critical blogs like Quixtar Cult Intervention, Pyramid Scheme Alert, or Quixtar The Dream or the Scheme.
2. HEAR NO EVIL.
Distributors are taught to turn a deaf ear to family, friends, co-workers or anyone who upon hearing about Quixtar/Amway say things like “scam, pyramid scheme, rip-off” and similar discouraging opinions. Indeed, distributors are encouraged to shun further contact with people expressing negative opinions of Amway and the opportunity. Tool Kingpin Dexter Yager has told people that the only friends you should keep are other people in the Amway business. Listen to Dexter describing this by clicking here. Obviously if you are no longer friends with the critics of your business you will not be hearing the evil they describe it as representing. Believers are basically taught to forsake all who do not join the business to include family. Isn't this very cult like? Alienate devotees from outside negative influences altogether? These upline weasels are very Jim Jones-like in their desire to isolate you away from criticism of their con job on you.
3. SPEAK NO EVIL.
If there is a Ten Commandments-like law in Amway, it would be that the “Upline is always right” and therefore they do not want to hear anything negative from the Downline. This would be tantamount to treason! Eric Scheibler, former Amway Emerald, in his book Merchants of Deception describes how almost all his questions and problems with the business were blunted by this law whereby he couldn't complain to his Upline. Anyone complaining about not having the money to attend some far off function couldn't communicate this “negative” situation without being severely reprimanded and scolded. Another way of understanding how “Speak No Evil” works is to look at the Amway Glossary of Terms under the word “Edify” which says: “Normally used to describe the act of respecting or "talking good" about another person, this is taken to extremes in the Amway business. Distributors are taught to NEVER be disrespectful or SAY anything bad about their upline, no matter the subject or the distributor's feelings.”
Dear Readers, I must ask you, have you been taught this “wise monkeys” behavior by your upline mentors in their desire to subvert you into their cult kowtowing of tool kingpins (like Ron Puryear, Greg Duncan, and Dexter Yager) and Amway Company con men (like Doug Devos and Steve Van Andel who are listed at position number 3 in the top 5 Scam Artists by the Vue Weekly). The “wise monkeys” are wise because they refuse to listen to evil. Amway cultists have basically made you the monkey by convincing you to believe that the truth of this bad Amway affair is evil and instructing you to “See no evil, speak no evil, talk no evil” about “the business”. You, my friend, have been hoodwinked and made a sucker by these deceptive con men who head up the motivational organizations which has “absorbed” you into their BUSINESS CULT! You can do the right thing and spurn these lying suitors if you are involved with them. If you have been prospected by these merchants of deception, and have come to Quixtar Cult Intervention investigating the opportunity someone is trying to convince you to get involved in, NOW YOU KNOW what kind of people these recruiters are. Do like they used to say in the Taco Bell commercials: Run for the Border! Remember the Monkeys were wise because they refused evil; they did not refuse to SEE, HEAR or SPEAK Evil about Quixtar/Amway!
52 comments:
See no evil should also include not being able to see the continual financial loss that distributors face month after month.
Yes, they all say they are making money. Tex makes most of his money buying his own products. The shell game of taking money from your pocket to prop up your business might make the 'business' look better, but it certainly doesn't do anything for the overall bottom line. It's a fun game to pretend that you and your 'business' are two different things...but they're not. One supports the other for an overall loss.
That's one of those 'other' evils that they can't see.
IT'S BEEN OVER 4 WEEKS THAT DIPSHIT DAVE, UN-PERCEPTIVE, JEREMY THE JERK, EEYORE (JC), QIAC, AND PCJ HAVE CHICKENED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE CALL.
I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.
Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#
Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.
Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
Po'Chop Jim
I didn't intend for each catagory to be complete. I just wanted to try to provide at least an example for each monkey.
I guess we are facing the Tex(t) challenge again today. What say we surprise Tex and call in? He would probably not be there? Shock the monkey!!! We can finally find out what the Tex initiative is all about?
QIAC,
If you want to talk, just suggest a time, and I'll tell you if it works for me. Anyone else who wants to call in can do so as well.
po chop j...
That monthly loss is for products a household would normally buy every month anyway er... right? Besides, does Target or Walmart pay you for shopping with them like Quixczar does? Such a small price to pay to be diamond-jim rich for a little spare time helping friends and family?
Tex...
Maybe we can get a few more fellows to devote a little time to the call as well. Heck, I'm game for a call, and maybe a couple others might want to listen in as well. Could it be that people are afraid to divulge their telephone numbers and have their voices recorded as well? What assurances can you make about such concerns Mr. Texas? There may be other reasons many are reluctant to join in besides listening to your ideas on the stool skam?
Oh, by the way, are you in the path of all that Ike rainfall? They could have named it after a gal at least if it is going to piss all over ya. :}
Saturday is usually a slow day on the blog. People have no time to waste at work and the like.
QIAC,
Have I ever disclosed your telephone number? If it's a big deal, I can use a different service provider that doesn't report the telephone numbers. What's the difference in being recorded versus being able to read what you write?
Tex...
I just thought it better to have the details transparent so anyone being urged to participate know what the conference call involved upfront. What may not be a problem for me might present a different situation for someone else. Isn't there some degree of trust involved. Personally I have no problem. Could be other participants might have reservations? Online communications might divulge an IP address, but not a telephone number. Texparency on the call may ease potential reservations a person might hold. I've spoken with you before, but we haven't called each other names repeatedly for months and months like savages either.
I'd rather resolve the call issue for once so it happens or stops being such a distraction for people commenting on QCI. I would rather that many of the hold outs give it at least one shot. To hear you out at least once with at least an open mind. Is that too much to ask? A weekday evening might be better which would also allow people a chance to consider the idea. What say ye?
The point I am with all of this I know from past experince with Tex, that I would rather not continue the relationship any further than, the message board, I really don't see a reason to interact with him, just due to past behavior
Mike...
I respect your opinion to not want to listen in or contribute. This sounds like a listening experience to me, one which I must withhold judgment on at the moment. At least we can come to a referendum on the issue one way or another. I think it better to not take sides and just see where this goes. I'd hope that everyone would at least give it a open minded think.
mike,
What kind of "relationship" do you think we have? Sounds like a lame excuse for being scared to make a simple phone call.
Tex states
"mike,
What kind of "relationship" do you think we have? Sounds like a lame excuse for being scared to make a simple phone call."
The thing is, what reason would I have to even consider talking to you on the phone.
All you have done is yell that folks are scared.
Scared is not the correct word...lack of intrest is more to the point.
As a person that supposed to be in a selling business.
Your doing a very poor job of selling your idea.
QIAC states "Mike...
I respect your opinion to not want to listen in or contribute. ..I think it better to not take sides and just see where this goes. I'd hope that everyone would at least give it a open minded think."
And back at you as far as respecting your opinion as well.
For me no reason has been presented bt Tex that would entice me to even consider the option.
You're scared. If you didn't have the interest, you wouldn't be posting here. Pure fear. Cluck and scratch, little chicken.
Tex assumes "You're scared. If you didn't have the interest, you wouldn't be posting here. Pure fear. Cluck and scratch, little chicken."
I read the post on this site, because I agree with alot of what this site presents. Q does a good job presenting a view point and ideas.
If he asked me to do a phone call, I still would probably decline, becase most of what I can commuicate with this site is via posting.
Just because I even respond to your post has nothing to do with being intresting in doing a confrence call.
For you see you have yet to give me a reason to even consider doing a call..outside of calling me chicken..which does more to persuade me to decline any hopes of ever calling you.
I think there needs to be another monkey in the picture, flipping the bird..
QIAC - I'd rather resolve the call issue for once so it happens or stops being such a distraction for people commenting on QCI. I would rather that many of the hold outs give it at least one shot. To hear you out at least once with at least an open mind. Is that too much to ask?
You are KIDDING, right?!?!?!
LOL
HOW MANY 'conference calls' have you had with Tex?
And what exactly have you 'resolved'? You heard the SAME story, right? The "tool"-scam. Like nobody knows about it. Give me ONE issue that Tex has given you NEW insight on.
Mike is absolutely right. Nobody is 'scared' of Tex-the-retard. It is just INDIFFERENCE.
Have you listened to the 3 podcasts (recorded conversations) Tex did with QBlog and Truth over at Quixtarblog? It sounded like something out of the 'twilight-zone'....
The retard basically made a COMPLETE fool of himself - and THEN - claimed that he had "schooled" them.
Seriously....
un-perceptive,
Your're scared. If it were indifference, you wouldn't be here addressing the issues I write about. Chicken.
Tex-the-retard - Your're scared. If it were indifference, you wouldn't be here addressing the issues I write about. Chicken.
Right.
So, if I am 'addressing the issues', I am chicken?
That is some first class Tex-Logic!
And no one has ever accused you of being a retard, either.
perceptive...
I was trying to be fair to Tex. As a referendum issue, the call idea has basically been dead, with no takers.
Tex, if no one wants to talk or listen to you "live" then why do you keep beating a dead horse? That is not to say that the Tool Scam is a dead issue, but I have to believe that you will have to be content to tex(t) your ideas. All the chicken name baiting and repeat requests for a conference call are starting to detract from any discussion of on topic comments. I've been patient, but the call deal is starting to get old with me. You have my number, and I'll be glad to talk to you any time.
I suggested that people give you an opportunity, but I get scorned for even suggesting it. The call issue needs laid to rest. That is mike and perceptive giving a thumbs down.
Aren't you basically preaching to the choir on this issue? You need to go to your fellow IBOs and get them on board first and foremost. There are always a few of these lurking around on this page, but they aren't jumping all over themselves to get in here and support you. Hey, you can't say I have not been supportive up to a point?
QIAC - I was trying to be fair to Tex. As a referendum issue, the call idea has basically been dead, with no takers.
QIAC,
I understand what you are trying to do.... but some of us have "been there, done that"....
You see, the PROBLEM with Tex...
is that he has these LOONY ideas for 'saving Amway' - and - he expects every blogger to bend over to his wishes - AS SOON AS the retard comes up with a new loony idea, he wants every blogger to implement it.
And, if they don't, he throws a royal tantrum. He throws a fit, makes repetitive posts, indulges in name-calling and disruptive behavior, and finally spamming the blog to the point where the blogger kicks him off his site.
Tex then takes his act to another site where the blogger is unfamiliar with his antics, and trots out his tale of woe - "My first amendment rights have been abused by those bloggers 'who were afraid of the truth'".....
Which is then followed by Tex eventually showing his true colors on the new blog, and getting himself kicked off of that blog too.
Tex-the-retard's LATEST loony-idea is the 'conference-call'... but so far, neither Tex, nor you have been able to articulate WHAT EXACTLY is the intent of the 'conference-call'?
un-perceptive,
You're chicken to call, because you couldn't hide behind your BS posts, ignore points I make, etc.
QIAC,
Of course the conference call fell apart, the others have proven themselves to be, like I always considered them to be, a flock of chickens, for OVER a month.
The reason why I will continue to challenge them is so, as the days turn into weeks, and into months, other readers of your blog will see this flock of chickens for what they are, and the thing these chickens want most, credibility, will be ZERO, if that.
Very few of the posts following your posts are on topic, not just my "challenge" posts.
As I said before, I'm not interested in talking with you one on one again.
When you get "scorned", you should pull your zipper around to the front, and kick them off your blog if they can't make a simple phone call.
If I knew a more effective way to get the message out to other IBO's, I wouldn't be here, believe me.
You've been supportive, up to a point. You've also been accurate, up to a point.
un-perceptive,
You're scared, just admit it.
Tex - You're chicken to call, because you couldn't hide behind your BS posts, ignore points I make, etc.
STOP LYING, TEX!!!!
Else, you need to point out WHICH of your 'points' have been ignored.
Tex...
I am tolerant, but I don't think the constant back and forth name calling and call baiting is representative of intelligent discussion. Might the people you want to reach be put off their feed on the tool scam simply because they find you rather "unpleasant"?
Even if we don't always agree, I'd still like to see the discussion remain civil and somewhat more friendly? Is that unreasonable.
The tool scam is a valid issue I want people to see as well. I don't go as far as you do in your pro-company view, but that is okay. I tend to hold to perceptive's viewpoints of the business, and I don't think he disagrees with the tools scam as being another scandalous Amway fact. Why does it always have to be all or nothing? (On all sides).
Tex-the-retard, on September 13, 2008 11:14 AM - IT'S BEEN OVER 4 WEEKS THAT DIPSHIT DAVE, UN-PERCEPTIVE, JEREMY THE JERK, EEYORE (JC), QIAC, AND PCJ HAVE CHICKENED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE CALL.
I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.
QIAC, on September 13, 2008 11:32 AM - I guess we are facing the Tex(t) challenge again today. What say we surprise Tex and call in? He would probably not be there? Shock the monkey!!! We can finally find out what the Tex initiative is all about?
Tex-the-retard, on September 13, 2008 12:16 PM -
QIAC,
If you want to talk, just suggest a time, and I'll tell you if it works for me. Anyone else who wants to call in can do so as well.
QIAC, on September 13, 2008 1:29 PM -
Tex...
Maybe we can get a few more fellows to devote a little time to the call as well. Heck, I'm game for a call, and maybe a couple others might want to listen in as well.
QIAC, on September 13, 2008 6:29 PM -
Mike...
I respect your opinion to not want to listen in or contribute. This sounds like a listening experience to me, one which I must withhold judgment on at the moment. At least we can come to a referendum on the issue one way or another. I think it better to not take sides and just see where this goes. I'd hope that everyone would at least give it a open minded think.
QIAC, on September 14, 2008 3:24 PM - You have my number, and I'll be glad to talk to you any time.
I suggested that people give you an opportunity, but I get scorned for even suggesting it. Hey, you can't say I have not been supportive up to a point?
Tex-the-retard, on September 14, 2008 4:40 PM - As I said before, I'm not interested in talking with you one on one again.
Who was it that accused Tex of 'changing his story' over and over again?
Tex-the-retard, on September 14, 2008 4:40 PM - When you get "scorned", you should pull your zipper around to the front, and kick them off your blog if they can't make a simple phone call.
And who was it that accused Tex of coming up with LOONY ideas, and making UNREASONABLE DEMANDS from bloggers whose site he parasites off?
perceptive...
It seems to be Tex's view that he furthers the cause by being in a state of disagreement with everyone all the time. Keeps his argument in front of the class, even if he has to sit there with the dunce hat one. Sort of looking like Dave's avatar. I've got to laugh. Tex(t) the tool man goes to the head of the class. Oh well. I can't win. I give up. Maybe that is what he want; if you can't beat him you must join him in the end?
Hey, you are pretty good with those cut and paste posts. What kind of magic do you use to italicize? Some type of html magic. I can't get my browser to accept anything like that?
Another long, rambling and meaningless post from un-perceptive, so there's only one thing to say:
IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH THAT DIPSHIT DAVE, UN-PERCEPTIVE, JEREMY THE JERK, EEYORE (JC), QIAC, AND PCJ HAVE CHICKENED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE CALL.
I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.
Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#
Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.
Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
Dagnabit
QIAC -
perceptive...
It seems to be Tex's view that he furthers the cause by being in a state of disagreement with everyone all the time. Keeps his argument in front of the class, even if he has to sit there with the dunce hat one. Sort of looking like Dave's avatar. I've got to laugh. Tex(t) the tool man goes to the head of the class. Oh well. I can't win. I give up. Maybe that is what he want; if you can't beat him you must join him in the end?
But, think about it - the retard changes his story on THE SAME POST - and leaves PERMANENT RECORD/EVIDENCE of the same - yet has ABSOLUTELY NO QUALMS about claiming the 'high moral ground'!
Can you imagine what outlandish claims he would make after a 'conference-call'?? Now, you know why nobody entertains his STUPID 'conference-call' idea.
QIAC - Hey, you are pretty good with those cut and paste posts. What kind of magic do you use to italicize? Some type of html magic. I can't get my browser to accept anything like that?
It's pretty simple actually.
Here's the code for ITALICS -
1. Type this tag WITHOUT the 'spaces' - < i >
2. Type the TEXT
3. Type this tag WITHOUT the 'spaces' - < / i >
Just type in the text, in between the two tags.
Similarly, for 'BOLDING' -
1. Type this tag WITHOUT the 'spaces' - < strong >
2. Type the TEXT
3. Type this tag WITHOUT the 'spaces' - < /strong >
Type your text between those two tags.
It's an interesting tool, isn't it. There's nothing like taking an opponent's words and throwing it back in his own face, is there?
Now, you know why EVERYONE favors the Tex-Transparency-Initiative - it makes it hard for Tex-the-retard to LIE. NOT that it stops him from trying anyways - in BRAZEN fashion, I might add.
perceptive...
The poor man has been exposed to the dumbing down of the tools. I don't think he is dumbed down as badly as Jeremy though (whom I haven't seen for a few days).
Thanks for the tag tips. I started studying HTML for a while but never used it enough to recall it later. The tips will come in handy when I'm writing my blog posts.
IT'S BEEN OVER 4 WEEKS THAT DIPSHIT DAVE, UN-PERCEPTIVE, JEREMY THE JERK, EEYORE (JC), QIAC, AND PCJ HAVE CHICKENED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE CALL.
I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.
Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#
Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.
Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
QIAC - The poor man has been exposed to the dumbing down of the tools. I don't think he is dumbed down as badly as Jeremy though (whom I haven't seen for a few days).
Actually, I disagree. Jeremy doesn't seem to exhibit the far-far-out-retardedness that Tex exhibits. In fact I think I've never seen ANY IBO who has exhibitied the level of retardedness that Tex exhibits - the absolute, absolute stupidity of some of his ideas are just mind-boggling.
As far as Jeremy goes - Cult-indoctrination? Yes. I think Jeremy exhibits a lot of that, but seems much more smarter than Tex.
OR -
he could be actually be Orrin Woodward himself... pretending to be one of his minions... just look at the shameless way he was defending the lawsuit Orrin filed against Amway - in which Orrin admits to financially raping his own downline.
QIAC - Thanks for the tag tips. I started studying HTML for a while but never used it enough to recall it later. The tips will come in handy when I'm writing my blog posts.
Actually, since you are using 'blogger', you don't need to specifically type in those tags for making your BLOG POSTS - you just have to highlight the text, and click on specific buttons to italicize, bold, color, change font, font size etc....
when making 'comments', of course, you don't have a choice but to use those tags.
And for Tex -
Wow!
How long has it been since Tex said he was not interested in having a one-on-one conversation with QIAC?
Now suddenly, he wants to talk to QIAC again? AND - he has the nerve to call QIAC a 'chicken'...
RETARD!
Po'Chop Jim
I didn't intend for each catagory to be complete. I just wanted to try to provide at least an example for each monkey.
Friggin’ picky! I did not add that on to try to point out your inadequacies as a blogger – I did it because you have this section called ‘comments’ to add to the discussion. You’ve had Tex on your blog for too long…
I guess we are facing the Tex(t) challenge again today. What say we surprise Tex and call in? He would probably not be there? Shock the monkey!!! We can finally find out what the Tex initiative is all about?
Calling in would be contrary to the founding principles of the Tex Transparency Initiative – which by the way I would LOVE to take credit for, but I’m only the one who came up with the name for it.
You’ve talked to him on the phone – which is more attention than he ever thought he would get (and notice you were persona-non-grata for a while until there was a hint that you would pay attention to him again…and suddenly he’s all ‘name the time and the place’ for someone such as you who is so ‘unreasonable’?) – and for WHAT REASON would I care to talk to Tex on the phone for?
He’s got secret information? No.
He’s got intelligent plans for the future of Amway? HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
I REALLY don’t understand his retarded ideas and am missing out? No.
I need to set time away from my otherwise fine life to let Tex pretend he has an audience that his inability to get a downline outside of family members has deprived him of? No.
I am missing out on aligning myself with an emerging Amway leader? No.
I know Tex is a 50 year old failed Amway salesman with delusions of grandeur, no concept of business (or life), who has been outside of reality for so long that he thinks spamming websites with his ‘message’ and avoiding other topics with the Texcuse of ‘we need a conference call’ and is really no one and the sooner everyone discovers that the better Amway and the world is? YES.
Do I think that the sooner Tex realizes that the better off Tex will be? I don’t care – after his display of race relations that only a precocious 14 year old might invent. There’s a time where the rest of us have to cull the herd. Tex is first. Add in his above average ability to be civil: notice he’s only civil when you pay him a little respect.
“Bitchette” – the beast from hell that Tex met doesn’t seem to have that problem.
“Insider/IBOFightBack” – the evil one (praise be unto him!) – called Tex the largest P*SSY in the world because he behaved IN PERSON one way and then WENT STRAIGHT TO THE BLOGS AND CLAIMED SOMETHING ELSE.
I was trying to be fair to Tex.
Yup. So were we all.
And I'd appreciate if you'd refer to me by my FULL name: Porkchop. Ain't nothin' 'Po' about it.
IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH THAT DIPSHIT DAVE, UN-PERCEPTIVE, JEREMY THE JERK, EEYORE (JC), QIAC, AND PCJ HAVE CHICKENED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE CALL.
I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.
Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#
Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.
Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
The reason why I will continue to challenge them is so, as the days turn into weeks, and into months, other readers of your blog will see this flock of chickens for what they are, and the thing these chickens want most, credibility, will be ZERO, if that.
NO. The Tex Transparency Initiative requires that I point out: credibility doesn’t come from challenges or requirements derived by Tex the retard. Credibility is derived from systematically showing that Tex is so far removed from reality…in fact, showing that he is a PROVEN ‘Lying Cowardly Idiot’…time after time after time (notice Perceptive had to remind everyone that Tex falsely called QIAC a coward for not doing the ‘conference call’ when QIAC has repeatedly taken the retard’s phone call):
NOTICE: TEXLOGIC ALERT!!! Tex will be allowed to call QIAC a ‘coward’ for not doing a ‘conference call’ that QIAC had never been asked to do…and even considering that QIAC has talked to Tex on the phone several times and offers to do it still at Tex’s begging.
…and as Tex is in FACT a Lying Cowardly Idiot who likes to invent secret tests for those of us who point out that he is a retard…
As Tex says: we’ll just let the public decide who has the most credibility.
IT'S BEEN OVER A MONTH THAT DIPSHIT DAVE, UN-PERCEPTIVE, JEREMY THE JERK, EEYORE (JC), QIAC, AND PCJ HAVE CHICKENED OUT OF THE CONFERENCE CALL.
I think it's past time we talk. Below is a conference number and access code to call. It's up to you to propose a couple of days/times to talk. The ball is in your court, for all to see.
Conference Dial-in Number: (616) 597-8000
Access Code: 975016#
Still chicken, since August 13th, 2008.
Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
porkchopjim...
Sorry, I didn't mean to rile you up. I didn't take your addition to my post negatively either. Sorry for shortening your handle as well.
I've been wanting to bring a resolution to Tex's badgering everyone about the call. I've got you, perceptive, and Mike all giving a big thumbs down to the call. That is fine.
I appreciate the insight you bring to this blog. I don't approve of all the badgering being done about the call issue. I just thought it time to bring it to an end if no one wanted to take part in it.
I am not trying to side with anyone over the tex conference call, but just find out where everyone stands (as if I didn't already know). I hope you don't think I was trying to insult your intelligence.
Please feel free to contribute ideas to my posts. I like feedback as well. At least you made comment that was on topic. I sometimes tire of all the bantering involving Tex. I've caught some scorn over Tex because I wanted to resolve and bring the conference call issue to a close. If no one wants to go there, then Tex will just have to use tex(t) instead to communicate his tool scam thing. I agree with him in part but all the crap going in favor of the company I am against. Still, IBOs should hear about the tool scam; possibly it will put them off of their Amway feed bag.
The whole atmosphere of constant confrontation is starting to wear thin on me. Name calling and call baiting as the like turns people away who might be benefited by more intelligent comment. I am going to start deleting overtly abusive and repetitive comments. I've been explaining my thoughts. I'd rather not have to exercise the sword (especially the way other blog administrators throw down the bar). Seems like I get my ass tore no matter what I say anymore. Dagnabit. hehehe. Later.
I'm sorry too, pcj. I'm sorry you're such as sad excuse for a human being, afraid to make a simple telephone call.
I too see no reason why tex insists on a conference call. This blog is bsaically a conference call in writing. I heard tex on a podcast amd he was basically saying the same thing there that he does here.
He cannot accept that others have a different idea of how to solve the tools scam, or that others may have a different approach. Then when you disagree, he resorts to name caling or other childish antics.
He wasn't banned on all those other blogs because he contributed substantial material.
QIAC said: porkchopjim...
Sorry, …I hope you don't think I was trying to insult your intelligence…
Perhaps my tone is unfamiliar to you. You are not qualified to insult my intelligence. When I comment upon your blog it should be considered the gift from the gods (as you might try to understand them) that it is. Once we get that straight, all will be well. If you are STILL in the dark – I’m a tremendous sarcastic smartass, too. God or smartass – you get to choose. Choose well, by the way.
Seems like I get my ass tore no matter what I say anymore.
Hello. We’re Amway Global. Get used to it. Our lube is 100% organic and has excellent self-consumption PV/BV…perhaps you’d be interested? Tex has been making thousands a year from selling lube to himself…Lube yourself and invite others to do the same! You’ll be rich in no time!
The whole atmosphere of constant confrontation is starting to wear thin on me. Name calling and call baiting as the like turns people away who might be benefited by more intelligent comment.
Well – since you seemed to be all growed up now: GO AND SEE TEX ON ANY OTHER BLOG. GO BACK AND SEE WHAT WE SAID WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU LET HIM DO WHATEVER HE WANTS HERE. GO AND SEE IF “WE” HAVE DONE THE SAME THING AND TEX IS A VICTIM. Yes, I chose your blog as the one to go after Tex – only because you had started referencing him as an inside source…which he only eats up, and you were too naïve to realize.
Not your fault – but, perhaps you should have taken a more ‘holistic’ view of things before you decided to give him the benefit of the doubt that he so doesn’t deserve.
Why my hard-on for Tex? While Tex claims to want to help the poor IBO who was duped…he stole that speech. Tex was just plain old pissed off that he never got the fame that 12 years on tools should have gotten you (those must have been the 12 years worth of tools with ‘some content worth less than others’) and while sweet in his intent to lead the Amway masses to freedom – he fully expected to get rich doing it.
Now he just expects to get famous.
So he can sell CDs of his lectures.
Which were so good that you have to ask him why he wants to talk on the phone again.
Sounds like the system? Who said it wasn't an excellent training system?
Porkchopjim...
Do you feel better now, having got that off of your chest? You make some valid points. I did take and run with the tool scam issue, but I have consistently time after time disagreed with Tex about the details. You seem to think that I agree with all the crap that Tex says in support of this bad company.
The tool scam is a bad deal for everyone. Probably the number one reason anyone involved in the scam Amway business should not be in it, and one perfect reason (amongst others) that anyone considering the business should turn and run. I remain consistant.
I basically side with you on nearly every issue, but this pontificating like you were God seems every bit as insane as some of Tex's rantings.
Tex, I am going to delete any comment you make where you continue to paste the Conference Call. Sorry. I consider that unnecessary badgering of people who comment on my blog.
Porkchopjim, you are right. I should have known better, but you live and learn. I don't pontificate like I am God though? Obviously I am not perfect, besides there is only one God and you have claimed that title for yourself. I've allowed you and Tex to have your rolling argument. I want people to see what is being said about scAmway. When you say it I don't have to say it. Beating Tex's dead horse is what you do best.
QIAC,
You may have disagreed with the details, but your disagreements are not based on facts.
Tex said: You may have disagreed with the details, but your disagreements are not based on facts.
Joe says: Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
Yawn. Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
Porkchopjim..
Do you feel better now, having got that off of your chest?...You seem to think that I agree with all the crap that Tex says in support of this bad company..
Yeah. That’s what I said. Or – I just bitched about you letting Tex have a forum. If you read any ‘support the company’ I credited you with – let us all know. I don’t think I did.
I basically side with you on nearly every issue, but this pontificating like you were God seems every bit as insane as some of Tex's rantings.
Oops. I guess you’ve been
Texposed to God (Tex) for so long that you don’t know the difference?
OK – have I missed something? Is English not your first language? (Serious question!)
While I presumed to present myself as a god (which is funny if you were apologizing to me before – which was true)…
…You failed to understand that my obnoxiousness as far as considering myself a ‘god’ was indistinguishable from Tex thinking he was one.
Don’t Grovel. I smite you.
Beating Tex's dead horse is what you do best.
No, that’s just a hobby.
And it’s called ‘Beating Tex like he’s a dead horse’ – that’s what I do best.
I’ve beaten dead horses. They’re still dead afterwards.
Tex, on the other hand – changes his story. HE’S NOT DEAD YET.
pcj,
Your ideas were dead a long time ago.
Texie the Turtle,
You see, when Rush says those things, they make sense. I know you think your ideas are the same, but your ideas have not been consistent, nor coherent, for years.
How many fans does Rush have? That's because he's good at his job.
How may fans do you have (include downline)? None.
So, until you can prove me wrong: You have no downline.
That's pretty good credibility for Amway certification.
Yawn. Click on my name for the full tool scam story.
Swim with Tex!
SWIMMING WITH THE TURTLES!
http://www.northshoreadventurehawaii.com/index.html
As I said before, YOU guys are the turtles, just like Obama won't go to town hall meetings with McCain.
Click on my name for the tool scam facts.
Tex...
Have you seen where real women dudes are standing up against Palin. I don't think it would be wise to start electing beauty queens considering some of the bubble headed blond stupid things they've been known to say. Go Dudes.
The "women" standing up against Palin ARE real dudes. Ugly, burn-your-bra relics of the past. Palin is the REAL woman.
Click on my name for the tool scam facts.
Tex...
Nothing against Palin, but in the end she will probably feel used by McCain. Just her choice is a sign of desperation by the campaign, a pandering to woman to try and go after disaffected Hillary voters.
There are signs that this isn't going over as well with Democratic women voters like McCain hoped.
You are right, the one old gal that gave a very outspoken speach was the opposite extreme of Palin, older, not pretty. Made a good sound bite on CNN though. Women's leagues have been coming out for Obama, even ones that refused to endorse candidates in past elections. Not a good sign.
"Quextion" for you Tex. Do you think all the outrage about regulators sitting on their hands about corruption will do anything to help in your fight against the LCKs? Can't criticism of the FEC also be used to criticized the other regulatory agencies that have been sitting on their hands allowing Amway distributors to be victimized by the Devos panders to the pubs?
I find it cult like that my daughter in law used to be a staunch Democrat until she and her husband got involved with Amway.
Her mother was shocked when she heard that they changed party affiliation to the 'publicans. Just a weird Ambot screwing with even political opinions of their cult.
I think women are very independent by nature now a days. (Sort of like the burn the bra independence of years past). It is weird though that Palin has gotten a bump in male voters. Hmmmm? I wonder why? Oh yeah, the beauty Queen effect. Of course that brings to mind the bubble headed stereotype, which probably doesn't apply. Trooper gate seems to sizzle. I think McCain might be starting to have buyer's regret for choosing her. Women have been walking out of McCain events after she speaks first. When McCain comes to the podium, out go the gals. The Conservative split still must be a smoldering deal underneath all the hype about Sarah. But what do I know?
Seems like Hillary is still not doing much to help Obama, but the woman's deal seems to be taking a back seat to the wall street meltdown which I noticed took the focus off of Hurricane Relief. That fits in well with Bush who really doesn't give a rat's ass about the struggling lower middle class blacks (and whites) who got completely wiped out. All the bull he said about using federal money to rebuild New Orleans back when the disaster have gone by the way side with the news cycle being preoccupied with other things. The Federal red tape has effectively tied up the money and made it nearly impossible for any applicants to qualify to get a cent of the millions supposedly earmarked for relief, that is not coming. Of course the money may end up in one of the pork projects that Palin had requested up in Alaska, hehehe (that will get a rise out of you Tex(t). Anyway whole sections of New Orleans look like vacant lots today.
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